Curse

Yamat · Jul 13, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Azmodan

I do my best always and only apologize if someone happens to die because my eyes started to bleed from staring at health bars for so long. Other then that, I did my best.

Classic statement!!

NightStalkerXT · Jul 13, 2005, 09:26 PM // 21:26

I have to say that for the most part when I deceide to join a party with my Monk peeps treat me pretty good. Generally I have gotten lucky with my choices of who to party up with and can not remember loosing the entire group in a battle. Had one guy die a few times on me but he was kind of low lvl for where we were running to. But he was cool with it.

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Originally Posted by theclam

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Also, I haven't got much grief at all. Have you ever considered that the people who are yelling at you are right?

He may be on to something there. But by the same respect they may be rushing and not listening to their Monk. It's kind of a two way street.

What gets me is that people spam invite my Monk but my Necro never gets invites unless I sell myself on my secondary (Elementalist/Nuker).

Darruus · Jul 13, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

I have a monk and I have to tell you, I have never gotten grief from people about them dying, though that doesn't happen too often, maybe I'm just good.

I have, however been in groups not playing as a monk and seen people start spamming the monks to heal them and rez them. But seriously, monks are very nice to have in groups, but you don't necisarilly need them, there are those with monk for a secondary and also people like me who use non-monk skills to heal themselves, I have a Mes/Nec and I have a few spells that really help with healing me. Monks need to be given a break but at the same time there are those monks who need to have their ego deflated a little bit.

infernal · Jul 13, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

On a run from Bergen to ToA we went the wrong way and the while the undead hordes creamed us, the monk kept rezzing everyone for a brand-new fresh smack-down. This guy was spending all his time and energy rezzing people instead of healing anyone. ---> I DIED 3x's!

hehe.. ok, it sucked. That monk sucked. Worst monk I've ever seen. Should be standard operating procedure to start ressing only when the party is well taken care of and noone else is in danger of dying.

End of story; it inspired me to make a monk and I have a lot of fun with him. Noone has called me any names and I try to do my best. I still apologise if someone goes down; your lives are in our hands.. that's our job!

Strong Fist · Jul 13, 2005, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Malchiel

6) They don't go afk

Well this isn't AFK, but I have had plenty of time where she just randomly foes off and adventures. "Alesia the Mountain Walker" She let my party die, and she was in this place that was high up, and it was invisible and she was just walking around for 5 minutes. This has happened with orion too. I like henchies, but we need henchie commans, such as follow, stay, attack....they have a dumb ai, and they always attack what you pass.

The Sensei · Jul 13, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

why would you bring a monk to the Underworld?

you get hit three times and you're dead...nothing a healer can do about that.

In reply to the "why bring monks to UW", because monks not only heal but can protect too! With changing 1-2 skills out of my healing setup i can make a SWEET UW Prot. build! I can make it so a warrior (or any other class) gains health instead of losing it. It's quite simple actualle heres how it goes. Cast these spelles in this order 1. Aegis 2. Prot. Spirit 3. Healing Seed 4. Healing Breeze then heal repeat or heal in between. A very simple set-up but a very effective one ; )
PS - I am one of those healers that LOVES to keep people alive thats why im a monk and this set-up KEEPS PEOPLE ALIVE! Those are my 2 American Cents, i wish i had some Canadian sense instead. He he he
Always just trying to help out
The Sensei

generik · Jul 13, 2005, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Dudededu

You seriously havent played the game enough.

Can survive without a monk. Ive done it.. and Im sure Im not the only one.

Can survive without a monk eh?

May I ask... survived with what?

Warriors?
Eles?
Mesmers?
Rangers?
Necros?

Well, let's just say we don't need any of these, once my FoW party survived and completed 2 quests with 3 monks, 1 warrior, and 1 ele.

Stuff the other classes, monks rule

The Sensei · Jul 13, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Oh yeah and by the way i have gotten very little grief for payers b/c i am good at my profession. The only time someone gave me guff was, funny as it may be, on the way to ToA. The leader and I told everyone to stay off the path and hug the wall so what does the mesmer and warrior do? Walk down the middle of the path ! I actually laughed cause I wasn't going to die too, being the only monk. So this warrior went OFF on me so i PM'ed the leader said I wasn't taking that kind of abuse from a NOOB and i promptly left the group. When I ported back into BHS I told the leader of my former group to come back and this time we would do it right. So what did we do? We did it right with only one person dieing (in the Black Curtain) and i was happy to get to ToA and go to FoW so he joined me on my trip. That's the way to be nice to people, just be kind and don't pizz off the monks we have feelings too. If I am ever in your group and I get crap from some guy/gal I'll take it for one or two times, but when that jerk starts saying I suck and i can't heal I'm outtie five thousand man(aka ill leave you faster than your ex-wife).
Me again
The Sensei

Mo/R9 · Jul 13, 2005, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Call me lucky or call me a liar, but often, I walk into a town and I find someone who I have partied with before and I get immediately invited into their group. The thing with monks is, there are a few of us out there that do our job well, but all the noobs give us a bad name.

orison of peace, primary monk, healer.

generik · Jul 13, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

I hope the most recent updates where non ascended players can't enter UW/FoW will rattle things a little

Only God knows how many unascended lvl 20s there are out there, and mark my words... they are a LOT!

Mo/R9 · Jul 13, 2005, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Should cut down on the noobs in UW and fissure.

Sleazy_D · Jul 14, 2005, 01:29 PM // 13:29

It did not cut down on n00bs, just glaringly under-prepared people. I went down there last night 5 times with newb groups. Myself included. The lvl 19 guy was very upset about his chances, but them's the breaks.

Also, I think I found what is possible the least useful protection build known to man. Perhaps I need to tweak it.

Shandoo Bilari · Jul 14, 2005, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

why would you bring a monk to the Underworld?

you get hit three times and you're dead...nothing a healer can do about that.

This poster would like to inform the community what a magnanimously ignorant person he is, thanks for the information buddy!

Celes Tial · Jul 14, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05

There are just as many 'snob' (insert class here) who go afk / quit after dying / do a bad job than there are monks who fit into this category.

The problem is that monks are vital to the group, and when they dont do their job, people notice. When they quit, the mission often fails. If they have no idea what to do with their skills, people will notice it very quickly. If a ranger is playing poorly or has a horrible attitude, people will be less upset over it because the ranger's skill is less vital for their completion of the mission.

There really are bad monks with no idea what they are doing who, for example, keep on running out of energy because they use the wrong skills - then blame the group for blaming them. But there are just as many other classes who play poorly without realizing it.

For the most part, the problem is selective perception.

Odd Sock · Jul 14, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Celes Tial

For the most part, the problem is selective perception.

That's very well said and equally true even though I have yet gotten insulted or ''mistreated''

Rulke · Jul 14, 2005, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Acheus Lokine

Argh! I'm sitting in Elona Reach and my group is waiting for an AFK to come back so we can start the mission. Another group's leader (I'm assuming) calls out "hey you stupid monks, join my group!!1" Well, being the sane player I am, I tell him that he'll never get a monk that way. Another person says something to the effect of "Well so what, monks are snobs anyway!" At that point I just go off. The AFK comes back and we start the mission.

I'm sick of people treating monks like crap. Everyone knows monks are a valuable part of any team, yet so many people treat us like we're henchies! People get mad when we don't heal them, then they die and start pinging their 0 health or screaming "REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME!" All the while the monk is running from a mob of monsters pinging "My energy is 1 of 30."

The second I enter a mission area on my monk I'll get spammed with group invites, and half the time I'm not even there to do the mission! This is another huge problem people need to get rid of. Stop spamming monks with invites! If they say "LFG" then you can invite them all you want, but until then, just wait or take Alesia if you're really impatient. There aren't many monks who will join your group if you just invite them out of the blue. Plus, if you just spam invite monks, you're not necessarily going to get a healer! Maybe that monk you just invited is a protector or even a smiter; and of course you'll complain if that's the case once you get into the mission with them.

So a message to group leaders and group members everywhere: Listen to your monks. Maybe they can't do a lot of damage, but they can keep you alive when you let them. If a monk pings their energy in battle, don't complain when you die. If a monk pings their energy out of battle, wait where you are until they say it's ok to go. When you run off and aggro another mob and the monk isn't ready, don't complain when you die. And to the lamenting monks out there with me: If a group is treating you poorly, leave. Let them heal themselves.
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Agreed.

A group I was in for thunderhead keep had one complete moron (who for some reason, almost everyone sided with) who would continuously shout at the monk to heal him if he was hurt, and slag off our monk if he wasn't immediatly healed. If he was killed, he would spend the entire time insulting our monk (generally along the lines of: "great monk weve got", and still expect to be rezzed and healed. This was when he charged into combat, leading the monsters into the monk, who naturally spent a lot of time healing herself.

When I tried to stop him, he started to insult me as well.

By some fluke, we managed to get to the end of the mission. This guy and everyone else went off to attack the groups, dragging the monk behind them, and not bothering to protect her. The monk dies. These guys do not notice, and I don't have a rez signet any more (this was not the first time our monk had died due to the inattention of the tanks). They still shout at the monk to heal them. Monsters get to the king. They shout at the monk to heal the king. They do NOT defend the king. We lose (it was really a foregone conclusion) and then they shout that the monk should have healed the king, ignoreing the claim that the monk was dead. The monk leaves.

IMO, she should have left when she was first insulted, but for some reason decided to help us anyway.

I'm amazed that there are any monks anymore, given how people blame them for everything, and assume they have limitless health and energy, and can take care of themselves.

Frits · Jul 14, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Monks can in most cases only take care of them selves for a short time, and they dont have the amount of energy of an Elementalist so it is vital for a party to wait for the Monk to recharge and protect him/her in combat, Which a lot of partys don't realise

Anomaly · Jul 14, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

why would you bring a monk to the Underworld?

you get hit three times and you're dead...nothing a healer can do about that.

Isn't that idea behind most protection prayers?

Anomaly · Jul 14, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Shandoo Bilari

This poster would like to inform the community what a magnanimously ignorant person he is, thanks for the information buddy!

I guess I should have read the whole thread.

Celdor Nailo · Jul 14, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

after reading all these posts i'm wondering what people think of me while i am adventuring with them. i try to heal everyone as much as possible and i don't recall ever speaking to someone disrespectfully.

have any of you ever adventured with Casper Boh? did i do a good job?